tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944818126005964967.post3016999869982950941..comments2023-06-15T01:12:28.254-07:00Comments on Candiussell corner: Cross Dressers in Women's SpacesAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05893549348934337804noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944818126005964967.post-62221318651221753592012-03-02T14:42:18.380-08:002012-03-02T14:42:18.380-08:00Love the post and sentiment! :-)
Carolyn AnnLove the post and sentiment! :-)<br /><br />Carolyn AnnAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00333372966116029977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944818126005964967.post-85067400741911562572012-03-02T07:39:37.438-08:002012-03-02T07:39:37.438-08:00Still calling us separatists, I see. It's a kn...Still calling us separatists, I see. It's a known phenomenon that if you repeat something often enough, people start to think it's true. But that one will never be true no matter how often repeated.<br /><br />It's true as Sophie wrote that there are a few who are quite vocal about transsexualism being a distinct condition -- and a congenital one. Most of us, however, (mostly) quietly live our lives. I know some women born transsexual who remain open about their history. Most whom I know let it all go, as only makes sense. I realize that my own circle of acquaintances is a tiny sample, but it really does seem to be the case that we change sex and than just live.<br /><br />Occasionally we might venture back into the fray to try to talk some sense. :)Sagebrushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11210724540507720167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944818126005964967.post-64484296640411742012012-03-02T05:12:56.566-08:002012-03-02T05:12:56.566-08:00A real alternative view to your last post, not the...A real alternative view to your last post, not the same as 'Anne'onymous above.<br />There is a problem in polarising the debate as some TS separatists against TG umbrella supporters.<br />Firstly the former is extremely small in number, however loud and proud they may be. For 2 years they tried to get signatories on a separatist online petition. Only about 200 signed up including IS people and anons.<br />The divide they try to make is between performative and 'medical condition', nice in theory but in practice the lines are really fuzzier than they proclaim, even if the umbrella was ever supposed to be more than a political coalition.<br />For myself, I identify as neurally intersex. That actually isn't catered for in this kind of debate which is simply about dividing along performative lines and coming up with notions of a spectrum or intensity of desire to change bodily, none of which relate to finding a narrative based on neurological / cognitive realities.Sophiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776623935042983118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944818126005964967.post-35724187193267751882012-03-02T02:33:52.866-08:002012-03-02T02:33:52.866-08:00>>I understand that some of these men who cr...>>I understand that some of these men who cross dress in public are totally doing it so they can go home and masturbate to the fantasy.<<<br /><br />If "some" means "a few" then, yes, perhaps – but I don't think that's true in general. Cross-dressing is still mostly about personal expression, even if what we're expressing isn't always the same.Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17147186679298442560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944818126005964967.post-45482875559762703112012-03-01T20:21:45.546-08:002012-03-01T20:21:45.546-08:00That deleted coment was from me. I made a lame ass...That deleted coment was from me. I made a lame assed double post.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05893549348934337804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944818126005964967.post-73190680107921168302012-03-01T20:21:07.110-08:002012-03-01T20:21:07.110-08:00I do not mind if you choose to not associate with ...I do not mind if you choose to not associate with a coalition you do not agree with. But what I am hearing is that there are some TS who will not be happy until every TS stops allying themselves with TG and LGBT. Just like I do not have the right to co opt you into a movement you do not aprove of, you do not get to force me out of one I am not only part of but basicaly married into.<br /><br />So yeah I get a little colorful with the rhetoric. But I wouldnt go so far as to say straw man. That is just stretching the meaning of my writing to far and you know it.<br /><br />Personally I have not seen any men in the ladys room with a 5 oclock shadow. In fact I haven't seen other TS/TG types in any restroom other than myself and the few girls I know localy. And none of them are running around with facial hair.<br /><br />When there is an actual real issue with a plague of men in our restrooms maybe I will join the other side of the argument. Hell I started out there, and it wouldn't be the first time I went full circle with my beliefsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05893549348934337804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944818126005964967.post-27446853959974990222012-03-01T20:15:34.836-08:002012-03-01T20:15:34.836-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05893549348934337804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2944818126005964967.post-44910497125503221872012-03-01T19:02:55.285-08:002012-03-01T19:02:55.285-08:00I am commenting here in the hope that you are inte...I am commenting here in the hope that you are interested in a different perspective on what you have written in your past two posts.<br /><br />From my perspective, the major issue that I have is the erection, or should say "construction of a classic "strawman" arguement.<br /><br />You do this cleverly by basing your thesis on unsubstantiated assumptions and inflamatory rhetoric: for example...."There are 2 dominant groups in the T community with a few smaller groups.<br /> <br />The two largest groups are those who support the Transgender umbrella and those Transsexual women who oppose the entire concept. (Separatists)" The problem with this is that those W O M E N, (NOT "trans"-women) are NOT WILLING memebers of your so-called 'community'.<br /><br />How is it that we can be "separatist" from some "community" to which we do NOT belong, and which we eschew?<br /><br />An example of the aforementioned inflamtory language, based on a false construct: "One of the issues I have with separatism is the almost pathological screaming and insistence that TS women are nothing like a cross dresser."<br /><br />No one is screaming, unless of course you are speaking of those out, loud and proud "occupy" type activists, demanding "equal" rights, like the right of men in dresses to violate the privacy of women. As for "patholgy", I would ask you how you would describe a man who occassionally cross-dresses, that DEMANDS to be seen, heard and respected as a woman despite a 5 o'clock shadow and an unmistakably male voice and demeanor, who returns to his privileged male role AT WILL.<br /><br />Arguing that because pre-operative transsexauls do in fact "dress in a manner appropriate to those born in the SEX opposite to how they are presenting", (or some such convoluted language), as part of their one year RLE, makes them "the same as", MEN who cross dress is like arguing that because policeman carry guns, they are the same as those who use guns to rob banks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com